Articles | Volume 19, issue 11
https://doi.org/10.5194/gmd-19-4817-2026
© Author(s) 2026. This work is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
Why does the signal-to-noise paradox exist in seasonal climate predictability?
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AR by S.K. Saha on behalf of the Authors (30 Jan 2026)
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ED: Reconsider after major revisions (01 Apr 2026) by Richard Neale
AR by S.K. Saha on behalf of the Authors (07 Apr 2026)
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ED: Publish as is (08 May 2026) by Richard Neale
AR by S.K. Saha on behalf of the Authors (10 May 2026)
This manuscript aims to explore the paradox in estimating Potential Predictability (PPL) in seasonal climate forecasts. However, significant issues in its methodology, logical coherence, and theoretical foundation render it unsuitable for publication at this stage. The specific concerns are as follows:
1. Lack of Clarity in Methods and Logical Exposition
The manuscript suffers from poor readability and methodological rigor. Critical details are missing, for example:
Figure 2 presents correlation coefficients between signal and noise components, but it does not specify how these components were extracted from the raw data or model output;
Figure 3 abruptly introduces the Niño3.4 index and regional precipitation without clarifying the research objective or the definition of "correlation skill" (e.g., does it refer to the correlation between the ensemble mean forecast and observations?). The role of Niño3.4 (as a predictor or a reference field) remains unexplained.
Such breaks in logical flow and ambiguous methodological descriptions make it impossible for readers to understand the study process or verify the conclusions, severely violating standards of scientific writing.
2. Conceptual Confusion and Misuse of Terminology
The manuscript contains inaccuracies in fundamental scientific expression:
It conflates the concepts of "Analysis of Variance (ANOVA)" and "Signal-to-Noise Ratio." ANOVA is fundamentally a statistical significance testing method, while the manuscript merely borrows its variance decomposition framework to estimate the signal-to-noise ratio without clarifying the distinction, which may mislead readers;
The term "sub-seasonal scale" is poorly defined. Although filtering bands (e.g., synoptic scale, MJO) are mentioned later, the temporal scope is not specified in key derivations, undermining the core argument that "sub-seasonal components are building blocks of seasonal predictions."
3. Internal Contradictions in the Theoretical Framework
The manuscript contains fundamental academic flaws:
Conflict Between Orthogonality Assumption and Physical Reality: The derivation of Equation (11) assumes orthogonality (zero covariance) between different components. However, significant nonlinear interactions exist across scales (e.g., synoptic, MJO, external forcing) in the climate system, making this assumption physically unrealistic;
Logical Inconsistency Paradox: The orthogonality assumption directly contradicts the manuscript's central argument that "covariability between sub-seasonal components and seasonal anomalies is a source of error." A theoretical framework based on an unreliable assumption cannot effectively demonstrate the effects of non-orthogonality, rendering the overall argument untenable.
Conclusion
Due to issues such as unclear presentation, conceptual confusion, and logical paradoxes, the conclusions of this manuscript are unreliable, and we recommend rejection.