Articles | Volume 19, issue 9
https://doi.org/10.5194/gmd-19-3689-2026
© Author(s) 2026. This work is distributed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
The Atlantic ocean's decadal variability in mid-Holocene simulations using Shannon's entropy
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RC1: 'egusphere-2025-921 introduces an interesting new method, but could do better at explaining it and its novelty', Chris Brierley, 03 Jul 2025
- CC1: 'Reply on RC1', Iuri Gorenstein, 04 Jul 2025
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Iuri Gorenstein, 24 Feb 2026
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RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2025-921', Bernard Twaróg, 26 Dec 2025
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Iuri Gorenstein, 24 Feb 2026
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AR by Iuri Gorenstein on behalf of the Authors (02 Mar 2026)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (10 Mar 2026) by Olivier Marti
RR by Bernard Twaróg (19 Mar 2026)
RR by Chris Brierley (31 Mar 2026)
ED: Publish as is (13 Apr 2026) by Olivier Marti
AR by Iuri Gorenstein on behalf of the Authors (17 Apr 2026)
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This piece of work applies a new methodology to look at the decadal variability to understand the response across an ensemble of idealised paleoclimate simulations. I do not see anything incorrect in the work. But I’m not sure that the current layout will result in many citations. This is because the manuscript jumps between trying to describe two things simultaneously: a new method and some scientific results. As the manuscript is submitted to GMD, I presume that the authors consider the new method to be the primary innovation and will address my comments and recommendations accordingly.
I see that there are three important facets of the methodology that are outside of the standard approach. Firstly, there is the fact that the EOFs are computed by looking across the whole ensemble – rather than separately within each single model. This is a nice touch and should be made clearer within the text (currently this is mentioned briefly on L123, but not stressed as key aspect of the methodology). I happen to have adopted this approach myself before (Chandler et al, 2024, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-23-0089.1) to look at regional models. However, we were looking at the mean climate, not variability, and the primary modes were detected between the models. I was therefore surprised that your approach does not pick up any inter-model variations. I guess that this comes from the application of the decadal filtering, which is in effect removing the mean climate from the individual models. You ought to explain in more detail what kind of filter is being applied, and its implications. I suspect that you are using a band-pass filter, and that if you instead used a low-pass filter you find fundamentally different EOF patterns (more akin to the EPP, we describe in Chandler et al). The labelling of Fig 1 and 2 implies that they show EC-Earth’s EOF patterns – rather than full ensemble patterns. Only the PCs, directed graph and transition timeseries relate to the particular EC-Earth simulation.
Your second innovation is the introduction of the directed diagrams. I confess that I find these hard to interpret, but I can see that they are important. Can you please spend a bit more time describing them? Perhaps thinking of them in a reduced dimension set would help; say by using the 2 ENSO modes of Ren & Jin (2011, https://doi.org/10.1029/2010GL046031) at then you can place the phase along the x and y axes. Can you also create some possible directed graphs for a system in which all the PCs are truly independent, through building a simple statistical model ? These would then provide a suitable null-hypothesis and allow some statistical testing to be undertaken.
Your third innovation involves the use of Shannon’s entropy. You provide an equation for this and then describe some of its properties in the methods section. However, when showing the results, all the values are approximately 3. I didn’t get why that should be so. I guess it’s related to either the fact there are 3 EOFs or the fact that each PC is divided into 3 states, but I don’t know which and you didn’t explain.
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