Articles | Volume 18, issue 20
https://doi.org/10.5194/gmd-18-7853-2025
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Interactive coupling of a Greenland ice sheet model in NorESM2
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- Final revised paper (published on 27 Oct 2025)
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- Preprint (discussion started on 07 Jan 2025)
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- RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3045', Anonymous Referee #1, 05 Feb 2025
- RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2024-3045', Anonymous Referee #2, 18 Feb 2025
- AC1: 'Final author comments on egusphere-2024-3045', Heiko Goelzer, 15 Apr 2025
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AR by Heiko Goelzer on behalf of the Authors (01 Jul 2025)
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ED: Referee Nomination & Report Request started (01 Jul 2025) by Qiang Wang
RR by Anonymous Referee #1 (18 Jul 2025)
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ED: Publish as is (19 Aug 2025) by Qiang Wang
AR by Heiko Goelzer on behalf of the Authors (19 Aug 2025)
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Goelzer et al. present the inclusion of a dynamic ice sheet model (namely CISM) into the NorESM2 general circulation model. They describe the methodology of the coupling and their initialisation procedure. They finally show coupled ice sheet – climate model experiments for the historical period and into the future, until 2300. The paper is very clear and nicely written. However, it feels a bit short and does not provide much comparison with previous works and does not provide a lot of material to fully grasp the limit of the approach chosen. Also the main finding is that the interactive ice sheet does not matter much but in fact this been looked with very simple integrated metrics where it would have been useful to discuss spatial patterns of Northern Hemisphere climate change induced by the ice sheet retreat. All this information would be useful for other groups aiming at doing a similar work with alternative climate / ice sheet models. More details in the following.
Major comments
- Discussion with respect to CESM2-CISM previous coupling. The authors acknowledge that they share various important components and methodologies with the CESM2-CISM model. To my understanding, the coupling strategy is identical and only the initialisation strategy is different. Is this correct? If yes I think it should be clarified stronger to put more weigh on the things that are really different. At the moment it is not very clear for example if the elevation class methodology shows subtle differences with Muntjewerf et al. (2021) or if it is exactly the same. P2L70 for example we can read “we describe our novel coupled modelling framework” but then, reading the text I cannot find any difference with the CESM2-CISM coupling. I understand that CESM2 and NorESM2 are two different models, with different oceanic components and different climate sensitivities, so I support the paper. But I think it would be more useful to stress on what you have kept, what you have not, and why.
- Discussion on the initialisation strategy. I understand that it was a practical choice to impose an ice sheet mask and perpetual calving for floating points in order to maintain a good agreement with respect to present-day observed ice sheet topography. This point is clearly explained in the methods and it is shortly discussed in the discussion section. However I think it deserves further attention. As the authors acknowledge, the climate model can present large atmospheric biases (see also my next comment) and these biases are somehow compensated by ice sheet dynamics. The way I see it is that an overall overestimation of SMB (particularly true for North and East of the ice sheet) will translate in reduced basal drag in order to push the excess ice outside the observed ice mask, where this excess ice is simply removed independently from the simulated SMB / oceanic characteristics. It is possible that the “good” match with present-day topography hides efficiently the cold bias of NorESM. In turns, it is also possible that this limits the ice sheet model response to future warming. I wonder if it would have been possible to use some king of bias correction to evaluate this? Even a simple one? Right now I do not find the coupling very convincing since it relies heavily on this “masking” method. Again, I understand why it has been done this way, but at least I expect to see clear and documented justification of it. For example even a control (continuation of pre-industrial) coupled simulation without any masking to show the unwanted ice extension would be useful. I think this problem is common to every modelling groups and I think it is nice to document how far we are and what we can do and we cannot.
- Presentation of model biases. It would be useful to present the climate model biases in terms of regional temperature (annual and summer), precipitation, but perhaps also short/long wave etc. At present there is only a comparison with MAR SMB, restricted over the ice sheet but it would be interesting to also know what happens outside the ice sheet (tundra).
- Impact of interactive ice sheets on the simulated future climate. It is a bit overlooked I think since only simple integrated metrics are shown. I think that a map of regional temperature change w/o the coupling would be useful for instance.
Minor comments / questions
P2L50. Climate biases and climate downscaling are two different problems. We can do a very neat downscaling but if the biases are strong we will not have a high-quality surface mass balance.
P4L15. Why not total precipitation instead? Rain is also contributing to SMB via refreezing.
P4L33. Why this value? Why not the model vertical lapse rate? Do you have runs with different values of this and check its importance on SMB?
P4L35. Do you have a justification for no-change in relative humidity? It seems not really driven by observations... Again, do you have experiments where you impose a vertical gradient for humidity (specific may be more appropriate). Perhaps it would have made more sense to me to keep the same specific humidity in the vertical but recomputing the relative humidity (hence producing precipitation eventually).
P5L67. It might useful to run some additional sensitivity tests with different update frequencies. Is there a limit from which we observe unwanted jumps for some climatic variables?
P5L60-69. Do the model includes some kind of ice mask where the albedo cannot reach too low values. Have you tried to separate the effects of changing the ice mask and changing the albedo for the future simulations?
P5L78. Homogeneously distributed within the year?
P7 Figure 2. The agreement is really nice. Can you provide an estimate of the drift for this? You could show the map of thickness difference with respect to observations at the end of the cControl experiment.
P7 Figure 2. In the supplement you could show the inferred basal drag coefficient with some details on the law you used. Also a map of observed velocities with respect to simulated ones will be useful, since the climate model biases are compensated by ice dynamics.
P9 Figure 3. Temperature and precip: is it a spatial average? Over which domain?
P10 Figure 4. I imagine that the snow albedo can be tuned somehow in the model. Can you provide some info on how it is computed? Have you tried to tune it? How good is it with respect to satellite observations, and/or MAR?
P12L36. Does NorESM2 includes some freshwater flux scenarios when performing future projections? Do you still have these when you activate the coupling? How large is the scenario compared to your estimated fluxes?
P12 Figure 6. T2m, SSS: global average?
P12L36. Since you have a strong change in AMOC I think it would be useful to have more discussion on the freshwater flux and their impact. Do you some different spatial structures with/without the coupling when looking at the North Atlantic surface and subsurface temperatures? If yes do they come from topography/ice mask changes or freshwater flux?
P13L49. I think it is not enough to simply mention the paper in preparation. Since AMOC is the only change you have with respect to the standard uncoupled simulation, it would be nice to have some plots of regional oceanic changes.
P13 Figure 7. c1850: should be cControl instead?
P14L04. But this might simply results from the limited ice sheet response in these simulations.
Technical corrections
P1L33. Surface albedo is meant?
P12L40. Not useful to cite this since there is no preprint available.