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        https://doi.org/10.5194/gmd-18-2587-2025
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                The Tropical Basin Interaction Model Intercomparison Project (TBIMIP)
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- Final revised paper (published on 12 May 2025)
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                     RC1:  'Comment on egusphere-2024-3110', Michael Alexander, 21 Dec 2024
            
            
            
            
                        
- AC1: 'Reply to reviewer #1', Ingo Richter, 05 Feb 2025
 
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- AC2: 'Reply to reviewer #2', Ingo Richter, 05 Feb 2025
 
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                     EC1:  'Comment on egusphere-2024-3110', Penelope Maher, 08 Jan 2025
            
            
            
            
                        
            
                        
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This paper describes the i) rational, ii) experiment design/main model simulations, iii) use of observations and a hierarchy of models in addition to the main set of runs, and iv) potential outcomes and issues of a sponsored MIP focused on interactions between the tropical ocean basins. The CMIP protocol encourages (requires?) a paper describing the experiment design and this manuscript well describes the planned simulations. I have just a few suggestions and thus recommend a minor revision.
Comments:
1) The manuscript could include a few figures from observations or previous experiments illustrating potential interactions and hypotheses to be explored, in addition to the schematic shown in Fig. 1.
2) For many in the oceanography community “hindcast” is used to describe long simulations driven by atmospheric reanalysis (and ocean reanalyses) for regional models. (This is called a historical simulation here.) You might choose to use “re-forecasts” instead of “hindcasts” or add a sentence or two explaining how “hindcast” is being used in this context.
3) Will the tapering method as a function of latitude (e.g., linear decrease with latitude) be prescribed to be the same across all experiments?
4) Can an explanation be provided for why the start of the tapering latitude is different in the Atlantic compared with the other two basins.
5) lines 217-218: States: “The technique for initializing the hindcasts (data assimilation etc.) is left to the modelling groups.” This could lead to major differences between the hindcasts (re-forecasts) especially in the first couple of months. Perhaps some tests with a single modeling system could be performed to investigate how much different initialization methods influence the forecast spread and perhaps how long it took for initialization differences not to have a notable influence on the re-forecasts (in a probabilistic sense).
6) Lines 250-260 state:
"The top ocean level interacts with the atmospheric model component through a coupler routine (e.g., Craig et al. 2017), which regulates the exchange of fluxes between the atmosphere and ocean. Another approach for modifying SSTs is therefore through manipulating inside the coupler routine the heat flux that goes into the ocean, which is the method recommended for the TBIMIP experiments. The heat flux in tropical regions consists of four components: net surface shortwave radiation, net surface longwave radiation, latent heat flux, and sensible heat flux. Of these, the sensible heat flux is usually chosen for manipulation (e.g., Kosaka and Xie 2013), and this is the method recommended for TBIMIP. Finally, because the flux coupler controls the SSTs that are “seen” by the atmospheric component, one can modify only this value, thereby “tricking” the atmosphere into reacting to a temperature that is different from the actual ocean SST. This approach leaves the ocean component completely unchanged (Richter and Doi 2019). Furthermore, it allows the SSTs to exactly follow a given distribution (as far as the atmosphere is concerned), rather than approximating it through correction terms. A potential drawback is that this can lead to very unrealistic heat fluxes into the atmosphere (Wang et al. 2005)."
And then on lines 281-282:
"Because the heat flux is absorbed in the top layer first, the immediate temperature response could lead to unrealistic changes in vertical stability"
These two statements seem contradictory, the top implying that you are not actually changing the ocean but just tricking it to see the altered state and the latter indicating an actual change in the ocean. Please clarify.
7) Lines 359-361: State “The curves essentially collapse into one, suggesting that the bias of a given model is mostly time-invariant. We conclude that using a shorter base period should not lead to major imbalances though this should be carefully evaluated for each model.”
It may be worth exploring the results described in the paper:
Beverley, J.D., Newman, M. & Hoell, A. Climate model trend errors are evident in seasonal forecasts at short leads. npj Clim Atmos Sci 7, 285 (2024). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41612-024-00832-w
8) Additional Tier 3 Experiments. The paper discusses a number of potential Tier 3 (optional) experiments using a hierarchy of models. Several of the proposed experiments are interesting and could be run relatively inexpensively. Here are some additional ones the project could consider:
Ding, H., R. J. Greatbatch, M. Latif, W. Park, and R. Gerdes, 2013: Hindcast of the 1976/77 and 1998/99 Climate Shifts in the Pacific. J. Climate, 26, 7650–7661, https://doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00626.1.
Minor comments:
1) line 46: I suggest not using the colloquial expression “players” on line 46. Perhaps “processes” instead.
2) Lines 150-151: Suggest changing “a wealth of intercomparisons has been performed” to “a wide-range of intercomparisons have been performed”