Articles | Volume 17, issue 7
https://doi.org/10.5194/gmd-17-2525-2024
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A one-dimensional urban flow model with an eddy-diffusivity mass-flux (EDMF) scheme and refined turbulent transport (MLUCM v3.0)
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- RC1: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2811', Anonymous Referee #1, 13 Jan 2024
- RC2: 'Comment on egusphere-2023-2811', Anonymous Referee #2, 15 Jan 2024
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AC1: 'Authors' response to reviewers', Jiachen Lu, 04 Feb 2024
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RC3: 'Reply on AC1', Anonymous Referee #2, 09 Feb 2024
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RC4: 'Reply on RC3', Anonymous Referee #1, 11 Feb 2024
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ED: Publish as is (27 Feb 2024) by Yongze Song
AR by Jiachen Lu on behalf of the Authors (27 Feb 2024)
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The MS has a range of interesting results on flow and transport in urban terrain. The LES quality is excellent and the LES is used to inform parametrization in a widely used UCM model, the MLUCM. The results thus have the potential to contribute to advancing the field.
The paper is overall well written (some parts could be improved) and can be published with moderate modifications.
Major Comments
1) What models or application besides MLUCM could benefit from the developments of the upgraded closure and how? As is, the paper is presented as simply an effort to improve MLUCM, which misses the chance to reach a broader audience.
2 ) Line 111: LES solves the Navier Stokes equation with the Boussinesq approximation, not the Boussinesq equation. The Boussinesq equation is a different PDE that describe wave propagation.
3) I am a bit confused by the explanation of the terms in eqs. 1 and 2.
(i) The authors write “The fourth term of Eq. 1 represents a term risen from spatially averaging that accounts for momentum sink due to form and skin drag.” This seems to relate to this term
This is quite confusing since this looks like the mean pressure term. For it to be defined as drag, the P here should be defined as the perturbation from an otherwise linearly decreasing pressure in x. Why don’t the authors just call this drag D_i ?
(ii) the last term is the viscous stress which they never explain, and they omit the corresponding molecular flux term in eq. 2. LES at their Re numbers should not be including the viscous term so It is clearer to remove it.
4) In various places the authors write “non-Gaussian dispersive momentum transport”. Not sure why. It seems to distinguish them from a Gaussian turbulent transport, but the turbulent perturbations are not Gaussian either. Nothing here is Gaussian, so why this specification?
5) Equation 12: at steady state in an LES, the driving pressure gradient has to balance the surface drag (and Coriolis if present). So why not scale with the total surface drag instead?
6) related to 5: I suspect the minor influence of the model on the profiles of U and u’w’ is because of the imposed global force balance. At any given height the stress divergence + pressure gradient (driving the flow) must balance building drag (slowing the flow). Since the building drag is imposed in 13a and the pressure gradient is also imposed, the stress divergence is also constrained. This is why the stress profiles in the rightmost column of Fig 9 are identical for all runs. This then also constrains -KdU/dz, and explain the small differences in the U profile.
TKE does not have such constraints and varies more. Maybe more importantly, the heat or scalar flux are also usually not constrained and could vary more with changing closures.
Minor Comments
7) Line 5: l here is a mixing length scale so please define it as such other “length scale” is to generic.
8) Line 32: Usually when one refers to a scheme like the 1.5 order turbulence closure model, the original reference or a textbook is cited. Here the authors cite (Bougeault and Lacarrere, 1989); is that because the MLUCM uses a specific form formulation of the 1.5 order closure that was proposed in (Bougeault and Lacarrere, 1989) ?
9) Line 44: remove “optimally”; this would usually imply a formal optimization, which LES does not do, to balance accuracy and cost. In fact, most LES go for the highest possible resolution so they pay the highest cost they can afford, so that is not an optimization.
10) Line 263 and elsewhere: again avoid using the word optimum. This seems to be an empirical selection, and that is perfectly fine, but it is not the outcome of an optimization.
11) Line 66: some of the citation formats should be corrected. For example, here since the citation is part of the text only the year should be in parentheses.
12) Lines 114 and 116: the authors seem to give a Dirichelet BC on line 114 (value of s) and then a Neumann one on line 116 (flux or gradient of s). Both cannot be imposed at the same time. If I understand correctly, the one on line 116 is the actual one and line 114 is just the surface value of the initial profile but is not imposed. Please clarify.
13) Line 51 and Eq. 7: there should be a minus sign in all these flux models for the flux to be downgradient.
14) Line 159: I think it should be : “The fifth term represents the source of TKE generated..”, right? Maybe then just say D_K to make it clearer.
15) Line 178-179: “due to the resistance difference to the constant pressure gradient between the free atmosphere and urban canopy.” This statement is very confusing and unclear.
16) Line 180: Not sure what the authors mean by “Being first flow moments, the eddy diffusivity…”. The eddy diffusivity is not a statistical moment of the flow field so not sure what is meant here.
17) Caption of Fig 4, the authors use the term “dispersive velocity” but they did not formally define these. Please do.
18) Figure 5 is hard to understand. Is this the PDF rather than the CDF? The integral of the CDF over this plot should be 1, right, so not sure what these contours are. Does it mean you get a CDF of 1 for example if you integrate outside of the contour of CDF=100%?